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		<title>By: South Side - Baseball Prospectus</title>
		<link>http://southside.locals.baseballprospectus.com/2016/07/26/the-case-against-selling/#comment-1508</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jul 2016 15:12:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] necessarily shed any light on the grand direction of the team.  Duke is one of the players I suggested could be flipped without compromising the ability to compete in 2017.  But, trading away veteran relievers is also [&#8230;]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] necessarily shed any light on the grand direction of the team.  Duke is one of the players I suggested could be flipped without compromising the ability to compete in 2017.  But, trading away veteran relievers is also [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: South Side - Baseball Prospectus</title>
		<link>http://southside.locals.baseballprospectus.com/2016/07/26/the-case-against-selling/#comment-1493</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jul 2016 16:15:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] smart people like our own Nick Schaefer make convincing arguments for why the White Sox shouldn&amp;#821&#8230;, and should instead keep all their important pieces around with an eye toward contending in [&#8230;]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] smart people like our own Nick Schaefer make convincing arguments for why the White Sox shouldn&amp;#821&#8230;, and should instead keep all their important pieces around with an eye toward contending in [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Schaefer</title>
		<link>http://southside.locals.baseballprospectus.com/2016/07/26/the-case-against-selling/#comment-1468</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jul 2016 00:13:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is how I would play the hand they&#039;ve dealt themselves. This is not a prediction of how they will actually behave.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is how I would play the hand they&#8217;ve dealt themselves. This is not a prediction of how they will actually behave.</p>
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		<title>By: grosbeak</title>
		<link>http://southside.locals.baseballprospectus.com/2016/07/26/the-case-against-selling/#comment-1467</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jul 2016 23:13:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wow, Nick. That&#039;s the kind of optimistic analysis I would expect to read on whitesox.com. C&#039;mon, really? Why would one expect the Sox to be competitive next year? If they didn&#039;t spend cash this year what makes you think that they will spend money next season?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, Nick. That&#8217;s the kind of optimistic analysis I would expect to read on whitesox.com. C&#8217;mon, really? Why would one expect the Sox to be competitive next year? If they didn&#8217;t spend cash this year what makes you think that they will spend money next season?</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
		<link>http://southside.locals.baseballprospectus.com/2016/07/26/the-case-against-selling/#comment-1464</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jul 2016 21:24:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I would certainly like them to spend more. To be honest, I don&#039;t know their finances relative to most of the teams that do spend more, so it&#039;s hard for me to definitively say that they should spend more. But, I think one thing we can agree is that based on their recent history its not going to happen. So, its pretty simple arithmetic. If you want to compete with the big boys, but don&#039;t want to spend with them, you have to develop talent from your farm system on a consistent basis. This team hasn&#039;t done that. As you point out, the farm system is better now than it had been for several years prior, but its still far from being a “good” farm system, and in fact is still a bad farm system. Most of the services rank the Sox somewhere between 20-24. Even with assets like Sale, Quintana and Eaton locked in to way below market deals, it’s not a farm system that can enable them to contend in spite of their payroll unless pretty much everything breaks the right way.

The problem is the Sox outlook makes it nearly impossible to really develop a farm system that produces talent at a rate much better than abysmal one at which the Sox system does currently.  Their season after season approach of “win now (but don’t spend like a contender)” means that even as they slowly accumulate more prospect-talent, they are forced to deal it away to acquire major league level assets and give notoriously aggressive assignments to the guys left in the system to rush them to the majors as soon as they are able to contribute there to any degree, instead of allowing for a fuller development in the minors. Think about it, if each team drafts/uses international pool every year, and at the same time the Sox are starting with off with a poor farm system and keeps trading away a lot of what talent that system does have and rushing guys to the majors, unless their front office is just light years ahead of every other one in the league, how can they possibly accumulate the talent to improve their farm system. Tim Anderson might be the best position prospect in 15 years. But, lets not jump to any conclusions, since at similar points in the major league careers of guys like Beckham and Josh Fields we thought the same about them. That’s not to say Anderson won’t or will be those guys, but the big problem is that for the past 15-20 years it’s always been just that one guy who the Sox absolutely need to succeed, and he fails they have no other talent. That’s a bad farm system. Something needs to change.

I’m not even sure a “scorched earth” rebuild is desirable. It’s so hard to have assets like Sale and Quintana locked up long term so favorably, and just give up on it. But, I just don’t see a different way to get the talent they need around the core to create a winner (especially with 2017 being a very weak free agent class). Maybe there is some balance that can be struck between a full out rebuild where every asset is dealt and just completely staying put. But, even if they keep some/most of their assets, if their spending doesn’t increase dramatically, they are going to have to deal some guys that infuse the farm system with significantly more talent than Robertson and Duke would return to them. 

 Maybe a different front office should preside over a “scorched earth” rebuild if the Sox go that route. But, I think the an unreasonable general mandate ordered from the top of the org (Jerry) is more to blame for the “unsalvageable disaster”, or for the Sox inability to field a team that’s better than mediocre, than those who attempt to implement its specifics the best they can in spite of the severe limitations that mandate inherently places on the ability to field a winner. It’s basically “find a way to win with no money, and no farm system”. Perhaps if this front office was somehow equipped with either money or the ability to let the farm system develop they would be successful. I have no way of knowing. They haven’t had a chance though. But, I know that the next guys brought in would suffer a similar fate if their mandate from ownership is the same. I also have no idea who is accountable for any/all aspects of whatever you think of the Sox current state, good or bad. Jerry? Kenny? Hahn?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would certainly like them to spend more. To be honest, I don&#8217;t know their finances relative to most of the teams that do spend more, so it&#8217;s hard for me to definitively say that they should spend more. But, I think one thing we can agree is that based on their recent history its not going to happen. So, its pretty simple arithmetic. If you want to compete with the big boys, but don&#8217;t want to spend with them, you have to develop talent from your farm system on a consistent basis. This team hasn&#8217;t done that. As you point out, the farm system is better now than it had been for several years prior, but its still far from being a “good” farm system, and in fact is still a bad farm system. Most of the services rank the Sox somewhere between 20-24. Even with assets like Sale, Quintana and Eaton locked in to way below market deals, it’s not a farm system that can enable them to contend in spite of their payroll unless pretty much everything breaks the right way.</p>
<p>The problem is the Sox outlook makes it nearly impossible to really develop a farm system that produces talent at a rate much better than abysmal one at which the Sox system does currently.  Their season after season approach of “win now (but don’t spend like a contender)” means that even as they slowly accumulate more prospect-talent, they are forced to deal it away to acquire major league level assets and give notoriously aggressive assignments to the guys left in the system to rush them to the majors as soon as they are able to contribute there to any degree, instead of allowing for a fuller development in the minors. Think about it, if each team drafts/uses international pool every year, and at the same time the Sox are starting with off with a poor farm system and keeps trading away a lot of what talent that system does have and rushing guys to the majors, unless their front office is just light years ahead of every other one in the league, how can they possibly accumulate the talent to improve their farm system. Tim Anderson might be the best position prospect in 15 years. But, lets not jump to any conclusions, since at similar points in the major league careers of guys like Beckham and Josh Fields we thought the same about them. That’s not to say Anderson won’t or will be those guys, but the big problem is that for the past 15-20 years it’s always been just that one guy who the Sox absolutely need to succeed, and he fails they have no other talent. That’s a bad farm system. Something needs to change.</p>
<p>I’m not even sure a “scorched earth” rebuild is desirable. It’s so hard to have assets like Sale and Quintana locked up long term so favorably, and just give up on it. But, I just don’t see a different way to get the talent they need around the core to create a winner (especially with 2017 being a very weak free agent class). Maybe there is some balance that can be struck between a full out rebuild where every asset is dealt and just completely staying put. But, even if they keep some/most of their assets, if their spending doesn’t increase dramatically, they are going to have to deal some guys that infuse the farm system with significantly more talent than Robertson and Duke would return to them. </p>
<p> Maybe a different front office should preside over a “scorched earth” rebuild if the Sox go that route. But, I think the an unreasonable general mandate ordered from the top of the org (Jerry) is more to blame for the “unsalvageable disaster”, or for the Sox inability to field a team that’s better than mediocre, than those who attempt to implement its specifics the best they can in spite of the severe limitations that mandate inherently places on the ability to field a winner. It’s basically “find a way to win with no money, and no farm system”. Perhaps if this front office was somehow equipped with either money or the ability to let the farm system develop they would be successful. I have no way of knowing. They haven’t had a chance though. But, I know that the next guys brought in would suffer a similar fate if their mandate from ownership is the same. I also have no idea who is accountable for any/all aspects of whatever you think of the Sox current state, good or bad. Jerry? Kenny? Hahn?</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Schaefer</title>
		<link>http://southside.locals.baseballprospectus.com/2016/07/26/the-case-against-selling/#comment-1462</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jul 2016 19:44:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, it has long been my position that they can and should spend more money than they do. 

Like I said in the piece, if they do want to go scorched earth and sell everything it has its merits, but it&#039;s not a sure thing, and if you&#039;re saying this front office built an unsalvageable disaster then you need to let a different front office oversee the rebuild. 

Also--as alluded to in the piece--they do have some talent coming through the system now. More than they had before. Anderson has a chance to be the best position prospect they&#039;ve developed in...15 years?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, it has long been my position that they can and should spend more money than they do. </p>
<p>Like I said in the piece, if they do want to go scorched earth and sell everything it has its merits, but it&#8217;s not a sure thing, and if you&#8217;re saying this front office built an unsalvageable disaster then you need to let a different front office oversee the rebuild. </p>
<p>Also&#8211;as alluded to in the piece&#8211;they do have some talent coming through the system now. More than they had before. Anderson has a chance to be the best position prospect they&#8217;ve developed in&#8230;15 years?</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
		<link>http://southside.locals.baseballprospectus.com/2016/07/26/the-case-against-selling/#comment-1460</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jul 2016 18:29:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree that the problem this season is not the core.  However, the Sox are about middle of the pack in payroll with a substandard farm system. When you&#039;re not willing to spend big money in free agency or take on larger contracts via trade, aren&#039;t developing  major league level talent in the farm system at the same rate as other teams and dont have as many prospect trade chips as the teams you&#039;re competing with, a supporting cast that yields results better than the current one has is going to be very difficult to achieve. The Sox are &quot;mired in mediocrity&quot; because they don&#039;t have a way of restocking their farm quickly, and they need to deplete it through trades when they try to &quot;go for it&quot; year after year. If the Sox restock their farm system via a major sell off/rebuild, it allows them to start from scratch and build a farm system that can develop the players for both a new core and that supporting cast that they  haven&#039;t been able to put together with their resources as they currently stand]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that the problem this season is not the core.  However, the Sox are about middle of the pack in payroll with a substandard farm system. When you&#8217;re not willing to spend big money in free agency or take on larger contracts via trade, aren&#8217;t developing  major league level talent in the farm system at the same rate as other teams and dont have as many prospect trade chips as the teams you&#8217;re competing with, a supporting cast that yields results better than the current one has is going to be very difficult to achieve. The Sox are &#8220;mired in mediocrity&#8221; because they don&#8217;t have a way of restocking their farm quickly, and they need to deplete it through trades when they try to &#8220;go for it&#8221; year after year. If the Sox restock their farm system via a major sell off/rebuild, it allows them to start from scratch and build a farm system that can develop the players for both a new core and that supporting cast that they  haven&#8217;t been able to put together with their resources as they currently stand</p>
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