Comments on: BP South Side 2016-17 Offseason Plan – Part 1

By: Nick Schaefer

Nick Schaefer — Wed, 02 Nov 2016 19:21:56 +0000

Sale, Quintana, and Eaton were all 27 this year..

By: Nick Schaefer

Nick Schaefer — Wed, 02 Nov 2016 19:16:52 +0000

Rodon was a league average starter last year with clear potential for more and while being harmed by the worst pitch framer in the majors. He makes league minimum for another year and is under team control for at least four more years. If you don’t think you can get anything for him in a trade then I’m not sure you and I exist in the same reality.

And, failing at the right plan in the past does not suddenly make the right plan the wrong one moving forward.

By: jdserafini19

jdserafini19 — Tue, 01 Nov 2016 17:45:44 +0000

Rodon and Fulmer may prove to be assets down the line. I don’t consider them to be at this point. At 23 and 22 respectively, maybe there is a chance. You have to include them in whatever you’re doing going forward regardless, right?

The market for starting pitching is very good and the free agent crop this winter is nothing short of bad. Sale and Quintana could yield you enough in return to start over.

Rick Hahn said we’ll know what their plan is by the first move they make this winter. I see the name “Matt Holliday” in bright purple neon.

By: jdserafini19

jdserafini19 — Tue, 01 Nov 2016 17:39:54 +0000

Rodon and Fulmer. Who I’m guessing don’t get them anything back if they attempted to trade them tomorrow. Sale and Quintana do. My apologies for evidently wording that poorly. What I am saying is that maybe they try to strip it down and go younger? Put an emphasis on getting position players that can get on base, maybe? Look at drafting and or acquiring young players on the farm and develop them?

It might be a better plan because it is one this regime hasn’t tried in a very long time.

They’ve been patching holes for multiple off-seasons now, Nick. It hasn’t worked. It may not be the wrong way, but it isn’t yielding results.

By: Marty34

Marty34 — Sat, 29 Oct 2016 20:04:38 +0000

You’re right, it doesn’t mean it was the wrong plan. The problem is this front office has shown it can’t execute this plan. Normally an owner would make changes in the front office, but since that is a non-starter we are left to hope for a change in plan.

By: Nick Schaefer

Nick Schaefer — Fri, 28 Oct 2016 17:18:14 +0000

You kind of contradict yourself out of the gate here, because you say they don’t have any assets, but then say that they should build around the “younger pitchers they have already.”

Other than Rodon, whom does that describe?

And, just because they have attempted to patch holes badly does not mean that it was the wrong plan.

By: jdserafini19

jdserafini19 — Fri, 28 Oct 2016 16:13:56 +0000

This organization is void of assets, sans Sale and Quintana, so it makes sense to consider a trade with them for younger bats and attempt to rebuild around the younger pitchers they have already. And you can always acquire some veteran starters who don’t suck like James Shields. This franchise has been running in place and patching holes trying to “win now” for years and failing at it. For me, I think it is rather simple: you go to the teams with the deepest farm systems and offer Sale. Whoever presents the best package wins. The consolation prize to whoever doesn’t is making a best offer for Quintana and seeing what you can get there. Once they called up Tim Anderson, they were essentially left with no help anywhere at the plate as far as position players go.

By: South Side - Baseball Prospectus

South Side - Baseball Prospectus — Wed, 26 Oct 2016 15:26:57 +0000

[…] with $102 million baked in from the players we kept in part 1, we set about building a winner, because that seemed like the best use of the talent the Sox […]

By: Marty34

Marty34 — Tue, 25 Oct 2016 21:59:55 +0000

I’d tender Avi (and Webb I guess) because my preference is a complete teardown so giving him 500+ AB’s playing somewhere wouldn’t hurt.

By: Nick Schaefer

Nick Schaefer — Tue, 25 Oct 2016 14:43:55 +0000

I don’t think anybody on our staff wants Sale or Quintana traded, but it would be naive of us to ignore a potential fire when there’s been so much smoke.